Miley And Justin ICHI BAN MAKEOUT

Miley And Justin ICHI BAN MAKEOUT

From Emily: I was at Ichi Ban Japanese restaurant in La Canada tonight and Miley and Justin were there. They came in her black Prius and were sitting in
the back alone. As I got up to go to the bathroom I saw them making out.

When they were leaving I asked Miley if I could get a picture and she said yes. She was super nice and Justin was too. During the picture Justin was pinching Miley and Miley was like 'Justin, that hurts! You're soo weird.' He responded 'oh c'mon.. give them the smile you always give' and they both giggled.


520 comments:

Anonymous said:

ew

ghsfghsf ghsfghsf said:

lame!

Anonymous said:

Pedooooooo

Anonymous said:

lol ichi ban
she's been back for what 10 hours and they're already going to pap hotspots
nice

Anonymous said:

Gross.

BEIRUTTY BEIRUTTY said:

IM FIRSSST YESS OMGG IM THE FIRSSTT !!!! HAHA PHUCK U EVERYBODY FINALLY IM FIRST AND MILEY RULE THIS FREAKING DAMN WORLD!

kelsey kelsey said:

i thought she was in the bahamas until tomorrow?

meme meme said:

EEEEEEEWWWWWWWW thats so grosss why would she make out with him! she ccan do way beter!

Anonymous said:

http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/9481/pedobear4dzya2.jpg

Anonymous said:

Miley's boyfriend is kinda ugly no offense
And ew @ the PDA, that's just asking for attention

Anonymous said:

oh so ichie ban is a pap hot spot too? come on. its hollywood. EVERYWHERE that looks somewhat decent is a pap hotspot. they probably wanted to go out somewhere nice. and justin seems like a nice enough guy.

Anonymous said:

That's just disgusting.

Anonymous said:

pedophile alert! where is chris hansen?!

Anonymous said:

wasn't she in the bahamas? weird, anyway good for them they got the chance to meet miley

Anonymous said:

lol everyone in la knows that koi and ichi ban are the places to go if you want to be seen, kiddo
oh and yeah he seems pretty nice for a famewhore
although that's kinda the point, isn't it?

Anonymous said:

come on guys.. lets face it. justin really DOES seem like a nice enough guy. i mean anyone whose met him as said he's super sweet and nice. lets just give him a chance. he hasent done anything to make miley upset or hurt her. lets not jump too soon to conclusions and call him a jerk.

Anonymous said:

thats disgusting. and he's ugly

Anonymous said:

Uhhhhhh
If I was taking a pic with my fans and my bf pinched my ass I would slap him in the face, k.

nicole <3 nicole <3 said:

ew. thats pretty disgusting.
and the pincing thing. thats wierd.
he's a creep. hate him. i tried liking him but i cant.

Anonymous said:

NOTHING BUT FAMEWHORES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Anonymous said:

justin really needs a hair cut now!

Anonymous said:

I agree for the most part. People say he's dumb but I find him pretty smart. I listened to his "music" the other day and it became clear to me that there is no way in hell he could ever get famous on his own. So he took advantage of a vulnerable 15-year-old girl with his looks and ~Christianity~ and is now a bona fida "celebrity". Well done, Gaston. I applaud you.

Anonymous said:

yup....they've fucked

Anonymous said:

gross! dude she's like, what, 16? ewwwww

Anonymous said:

Totally. And I'm a Miley fan, too. But... :|

Anonymous said:

well that's not creepy or anything

PSA: girls if you are under the age of 18 and some grown-ass dude pinches your ass, bust out the pepper spray and call the police ASAP

Anonymous said:

AWWW how cute!! As long as my smily miley is happy:)

Aimee Aimee said:

Disturbing.

Anonymous said:

omg
he
is
soo
cuteee!
and hott!
i wud
so
marry
him
or
dateeee
him
wat a hottie!

Anonymous said:

lol everyone in la knows that koi and ichi ban are the places to go if you want to be seen, kiddo
oh and yeah he seems pretty nice for a famewhore
although that's kinda the point, isn't it?
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oh come ON. its LA. any place that looks somewhat decent and nice is a "pap hotspot" ok? everywhere miley goes is a pap hotspot. there are paps camping outside her house everyday. it really dosent matter where she goes shes gonna get followed no matter what. it dosent really matter WHERE she goes. she went to the bahamas and paps followed her there. give me one SOLID proof. one proven FACT that you can whip out that tells you that justin is a famewhore. i dont want much. just one proven FACT that you have. give me one fact, and i'll be happy to call justin a famewhore. but i want nice, solid evidence.

Anonymous said:

"How cute"? Seriously?

Anonymous said:

ewwww

Anonymous said:

WTF, how old are you, four? GTFO.

Anonymous said:

thier in the back making out alone and thats PDA... and fyi la canada is not a hotspot

NiiLEY O9' NiiLEY O9' said:

You took the works right out of my mouth haha

Anonymous said:

lol @ anyone who thinks that he isn't a famewhore

Anonymous said:

the roses is made by miley not justin.

Anonymous said:

seriously? i think he's mad fugly.

Anonymous said:

MAKING OUT PHOTO!

http://i40.tinypic.com/2hfq8mo.jpg

Anonymous said:

I used to hate Justin. But now I like him.

1. He seems pretty nice.

2. We both agree that Joe should grow out his hair again.

FINALLY!!!! Someone who agrees! God bless Justin. lol Oh and Miley. yeah

Anonymous said:

that is so effin gross. she's a dumbass if she can't see that he's using her. actually, she's already a dumbass.

Anonymous said:

btw where on this do you see he pinched her ass...grow up.

kimmy4 kimmy4 said:

ew
no offence but justin is ugly
well at least he makes miley happy

Anonymous said:

yup....they've fucked

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true shit!

Anonymous said:

he's not pinching her ass. where did you get that. i understand that you dont like justin. i understand how some people dosent approve of him. but come on give him a chance. every single one of you saw his picture for the first time and said "HES A FAMEWHORE" you havent even givin him a chance. i used to hate justin too untill ive heard so many great things about him that people have said. and then i figured. why not give him an opportunity to prove himself. why jump so suddenly to conclusions.

Anonymous said:

i have a question, and this is not about them just in general. why is famewhore an insult? i mean like heidi and spencer i know they are famewhores but that doesn't make them bad people. can someone explain this to me? (serious question)

Anonymous said:

lol, a fact? like the FACT that he has said "i want to be famous more than anything"? or the FACT that he needs a record deal and she has connections to the industry? or the FACT that he's sharing a 1-person apartment with 2 other guys and she is rich as hell? or the FACT that she just so happens to be the most famous teenager on the planet? lol bitch please.

Anonymous said:

16 yr old and 20 yr old making out in public
what kind of rolemodel you are
you deserve a medal.

Anonymous said:

A restaurant is a public place last I checked.
And making out is a display of affection.

Anonymous said:

she is a brat!!!!!!!!!!

Anonymous said:

FUCKING PEDOPHILE.

Anonymous said:

"When they were leaving I asked Miley if I could get a picture and she said yes. She was super nice and Justin was too. During the picture Justin was pinching Miley"

Anonymous said:

Oh, get over it, every famous person is going to have haters.

Anonymous said:

ew.

Anonymous said:

yes cause you, a complete stranger, who dosent even KNOW the guy is obviously smarter than her because you can totaly read justin's mind without even seeing him. oh please. if shes a dumbass for not seeing that hhe's using her, then your accusing taylor and demi as being dumbasses too becaus they're friends with justin and miley and they approve. esp taylor. she knew him before miley did. and your also saying emily is a dumbass too.

Anonymous said:

Attention whore + fame whore
Perfect match!
May they have at least 2 kids before her mental breakdown!

YOURDESTINY YOURDESTINY said:

Gross. Niley forever.
Justin is...well i shouldn't judge people, but a chimooooooooooooooooo.

Get over him, Miles, & move back to where you used to be. Happy in Nick's arms... & pressing on Nick's lips :)

ilovejonaslovato! ilovejonaslovato! said:

gaaah.
it's probably a rumor.
anyone can
say they saw miley and Justin making out.
it's not that hard to start a rumor.
like really.

" i was in the Bahamas and saw
miley there on the beach and Justin was there too
and they started making out...NO LIE!!!"

it was craziness!
now all i need to
do is post some lame pics.
and write a total lie to oceanup!!

i don't believe it unless i see a picture
or video!
grow up people!!!

Anonymous said:

gummy smile. Her teeth
look bogus like they have been filed or ground down. They look more like infant teeth than grown-up teeth. Disgusting.

Anonymous said:

she is soo ugly and she talks like she has a peanut on the top of her mouth.

Anonymous said:

Heidi and Spencer use people for attention and fame. I'm sure Lauren Conrad could enlighten you as to why being a famewhore is bad.

Anonymous said:

no miley can be ugly sometimes. she's pretty but the girl has nothing against selena gomez. and the whole you're just jealius comment doesn't really make sense. maybe the person isn't jealous and just can't stand miley. i'm sure you guys bash other celebs. and the "do you even know her" thing is really stupid too. do you guys know her??????? so unless you know her, you can say something like that.

Anonymous said:

ugly

Anonymous said:

Sick.

Anonymous said:

am so sick of her, she is everywhere! on every magazine and all over the internet. i don't want to see her ugly face anymore!

Anonymous said:

she sure loves flauting that bf of hers
and he sure loves to be flaunted
lol these two are like speidi 2.0, i swear to god
too funny

Anonymous said:

Ugh

Anonymous said:

IT DIDN'T SAY HE PINCHED HER "ASS" YOU DUMBFUCKS.

IT JUST SAID HE PINCHED HER. WHO KNOWS WHERE....BUT I GARUNTEE YOU ALL IT WASN'T HER ASS.

GEESH, LEARN TO READ PEOPLE.

Anonymous said:

that's just nasty man... and dang that boy is UGLY

Anonymous said:

lol, a fact? like the FACT that he has said "i want to be famous more than anything"? or the FACT that he needs a record deal and she has connections to the industry? or the FACT that he's sharing a 1-person apartment with 2 other guys and she is rich as hell? or the FACT that she just so happens to be the most famous teenager on the planet? lol bitch please.
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great ok now wheres the fact that made you so possitivly sure that he's using her? its a fact that he wants to make it out in the music industry but did he say or imply ANYWHERE that he does not care for miley at ALL and he just wants to date her for the publicity? find me THAT and ill be happy to call justin a mother fucker for the rest of my life.

Minka Minka said:

I love Miley but that is disgusting.

Anonymous said:

Eww... c'mon look at him :D

Anonymous said:

oh hun, how old are you? -_- she meant her ass, duh.

Anonymous said:

i hate her and him.
they are both attention whores
get over it i dont have to like everyone.

Anonymous said:

yay!

Anonymous said:

no we dont know her but not ONE SINGLE person who KNOWS her has said anything negative about her. even fans whose met her says that shes super super nice.

Anonymous said:

Heyy, I hate Miley so all of you that love her can just go jump off a cliff or can it. Mmkk thx.

Anonymous said:

lol. how old are you, out of curiousity? you have no idea how famewhores work, do you? kfed never came out and said "lol idgaf about britney but i do gaf about her wallet", he just did the same exact thing this dude is doing--get to her when she's going through a rough patch, tag along with her everywhere, get introduced to people in the industry by her, etc. try again.

sara sara said:

so, the making out sounds like complete bullshit.
anyone can start a rumor.
"lyke, oMg did U kN0 th4t i d4t3d a j0br0?"
seriously. don't believe everything you read.

i wish people would just give justin a chance. he might surprise you.. good guys actually DO exist.

Ella Ella said:

come on guys.. lets face it. justin really DOES seem like a nice enough guy. i mean anyone whose met him as said he's super sweet and nice. lets just give him a chance. he hasent done anything to make miley upset or hurt her. lets not jump too soon to conclusions and call him a jerk.
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I agree, and he is her boyfriend . You normally kiss your boyfriend. It's not exactly unusual.

Anonymous said:

Dear Miley Cyrus
Sha!
Sha!
Sha!
Sha!
I probably shouldn’t say this, but at times I get so frayed
When I think about the previous episodes that you made
They were crappy, ends were sappy
It’s impossible for me not to show, my foe
The seven things I hate about you
Your hair, your eyes, it’s no surprise,
When you sing, it’s suicide
You feed my pain, you bring me tears,
You make me want to plug my ears
Your nasal tone, on and on you drone
Makes me want to groan
Don’t want to hear all your stupid songs
And the seventh thing I hate the most that you do
You think we love you
Yes you do, ohhhh

Anonymous said:

Lemme guess... miley hater?

Anonymous said:

PEDOOOO!

Anonymous said:

she talks to heidi where her new music video is so fucked up,
rolling on the beach.

Anonymous said:

you can see her black bra

Anonymous said:

gross
making out in public is gross but the pinching thing
in front of fans?
gross x2

Xion Xion said:

He's ugly, she's an idiot. The end.

Anonymous said:

He looks like a pedo who came from the jungle..

Anonymous said:

i cannot get over these two famewhores. i just find the entire situation so hilarious. what do you suppose the odds are that he puts her on his album to sell some copies? 1:1?

Anonymous said:

just plain nasty honestly

Anonymous said:

yep! :D

Anonymous said:

She has become a cocky, self- absorbed diva. Her show used to be enjoyable but now it seems as if she is over-confident.

thank you gaston
you can now die

Anonymous said:

Why would the girl make that up? Lol get over it, she was telling the truth.

And the Miley fans just don't like to see her get used.

Anonymous said:

no, she didn't...

Anonymous said:

i don't make out with my boyfriend in public :| some girls do, though. i prefer to keep my private life private. obviously miley doesn't.

Anonymous said:

shes kinda full of herself.
shes definetly not lacking in self confidence.
but i think the pictures are one of the main reasons
but i lost a lot of respect for her after seeing the video she posted making fun of selena and demi.
i still like her music im just sick of all these disney stars not acting like role models.
other than the jonas brothers :)
hahaha

Anonymous said:

ok shut up about the PDA. if it was nick and miley making out on some balcony of some pap hotspot none of you would say anything. heck if it was nick and miley making out on national television you wouldnt say anything either. just because some girl claims that she saw miley and justin making out somewhere you jump right up and scream PDA!!!! get a life people. as much as i love niley, they're obviously over and they're not getting together anytime soon. im not delusional. get your heads out of the niley dream boat and face reality. miley's a smart girl. let her date whoever she wants to date. shes 16 shes not gonna marry the guy. and dont bring out the k-fed britney thing again. britney was what? 19 20? when she met K fed? the age to get married? miley's 16. shes not gonna get engaged anytime soon and i doubt her and justin would last that long. let her explore the field. let her do whatever she wants to do. its not bothering YOU in anyway. its not effecting YOUR lifestyle. let her be.

Anonymous said:

shes annoying.
her boyfriend is son of a bitch

Anonymous said:

HAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHA, honestly kid im dieing of laughter over here, ichiban..
THE JAPANESE RED LOBSTER
i dont know what you are smokin'

Kate Kate said:

Ew. Just... ew.

Anonymous said:

she has become an arrogant self-centered witch she doesn't listen to her dad. she is outta control

Anonymous said:

i was somewat a fan, i really did like her music, But seriously,
those half nude pictures and wat she did to demi and selena was
really rude and stuck-up.And she's kinda full of her self. no offence. I like her music but i'm not really a fan anymore.

Anonymous said:

if she was over confident, she wouldnt have been so upset about the fat comments.

Anonymous said:

I don't hate her, I just dislike people who's full of themselves.
Like Miley.

emily may emily may said:

OK SO- i am emily may, the girl who posted this.
I saw them today and i would like to say all of your comments are extrermely IMMATURE and you are all PATHETIC. i would like to set the record straight

1) he was NOT pinching her ass, his hand was on her shoulder
2) Ichi Ban is NOT a hotspot OR a place to be seen. its in LA CANADA, 30 minutes AWAY from hollywood. Its where miley moved after tennessee and before toluca lake.
3) I cant say if justin is a famewhore or not, i do not know him personally but i can tell you he was extremely nice. a huge gentlemen and funny and sweet. and he treats miley right and shes happy and thats all that matters.

I think everyone one of you should get a life and i regret sending this into oceanup because all they did was twist my words.
it was an INNOCENT KISS after JUSTIN PAYED FOR THE BILL.

please everyoen, leave her alone

Anonymous said:

justin gaston and miley cyrus

alex {:() alex {:() said:

You don't know for sure they were making out or he was
pinching her not to defend the famewhore ASSTON there
is really no evidence to prove it they have pictures of them when they were leaving not of any of the things going on and WTF with the whole the fucked comments
that's just messed up she's 16 and he's 20 it's still illegal for another 2 years ppl GROW UP!

Anonymous said:

she's just an ugly little 16 year old that thinks she super cool.

she's convieted. and crap like that. (:

Anonymous said:

eh the pics and the video never bothered me but the way she behaves around gaston, particularly on ellen last year, makes it really hard to be a fan. she degenerates into an idiot and i hate it.

Anonymous said:

she's just an ugly little 16 year old that thinks she super cool.

she's convieted. and crap like that. (:

Anonymous said:

Miley, you go the wrong way...

Anonymous said:

most people hate her because she is a role model for kids but still she takes nude pics and dating 20 yr old!
underwear model who the hell does that anyway??

emily emily said:

WTF? Why are you posing as me?

Anonymous said:

OMFGSHH NOO NO NO!
NILEY FOREVER!

Anonymous said:

why oh WHY would she wear a black bra under a white sheer shirt?! FUCKING TACKY IM TELLIN YAA

Anonymous said:

Ewww D:

Anonymous said:

i thought she's real and honest
but when she started dating this guy
she changed her being innocent is gone.

Emily Emily said:

Oh, look, I can name myself Emily, too! And I can pretend to be that girl... Isn't that fun? :D

Anonymous said:

I don't like her because people falsely call her a musician.
Miley Cyrus is not a musician. she is a product that is marketed to a particular demographic. The repetitive and contrived music that spews from her mouth has been written by marketers to appeal to teenaged and preteen girls. She merely auditioned for the role of Hannah Montana and was selected based on her youth, her just decent enough sining and acting ability, and her father. She is popular because her music is constantly drummed into the skulls of the little girls who watch the disney channel. If it was not for the constant exposure and marketing, she would not have any mainstream popularity whatsoever. Artists that actually achieve popularity with their music alone, such as the doors, the who, or billy joel are the ones who should be respected, not these monotonous poster-children designed for nothing more than harvesting money, who rely completely on media vehicles like the disney channel to gain success.

Anonymous said:

what the fuck? what a nasty-ass couple.

Anonymous said:

makig out in public is gross? what are you 8?

Anonymous said:

more like miley paid

Anonymous said:

LMFAO!

Anonymous said:

Mustin = old news. He's using her for fame, teenies, sorry to break it to ya. Team Taylena FTW.

Anonymous said:

Dear Miley Cyrus: Love Means Never Having to Say You're Sorry in a Half-Assed Way

Anonymous said:

ive never seen him with that much emotion!

ilovejonaslovato! ilovejonaslovato! said:

nude reallly??
uhmm nooooo!!
ahe has never taken a nude pic.

Anonymous said:

demi,sel,miley and jb arent real artist

Anonymous said:

lies.
i like miley,
i just don't like the miley and justin hate.

Anonymous said:

some people don't like flaunting their illegal relationships, believe it or not.

ilovejonaslovato! ilovejonaslovato! said:

it's a bikini top!!
duuuh!

Anonymous said:

lol. how old are you, out of curiousity? you have no idea how famewhores work, do you? kfed never came out and said "lol idgaf about britney but i do gaf about her wallet", he just did the same exact thing this dude is doing--get to her when she's going through a rough patch, tag along with her everywhere, get introduced to people in the industry by her, etc. try again.
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oh please. mileys SIXTEEN. shes not marrying the guy. and just because he wants to go into the music industry, that dosent mean that hes trying to use her. maybe miley WANTED to help him out. justin's not rushing to make an album and putting it out. justin's not begging miley to have him be her opening act. justin isent walking the red carpet with miley and trying to grab attention. whenever miley has a premiere or anything, justin goes in the back way and wants all the attention on miley. like the HM movie premiere. people asked miley why justin wasent there and she said he went in the back way because he wanted miley to have the spotlight as just miley and not jiley. justin isent forcing miley to talk about him. if wanting to become famous and being poor is your good 'evidence' of a famewhore, then wouldnt JB be concidered famewhores too? i mean miley and nick started to date when JB had nothing. their record label have just dropped them, they had like zero to no fans, and they were still living in new jersey. they werent loaded rich as they are now. Justin seems to work for everything. the only reason he's a model is to earn money to support himself while he chases his dream. maybe miley WANTED to help him out? dont be so narrow minded. just because someone wants to be famous, dosent mean their sole intentions for everything in life are just that.

abigail abigail said:

Umm ok lets state the fact that every jiley hate fans need to know....

Miley Facts
1. Cyrus family actually KNOWS and LOVES justin.
2. Justin is generous and not a famewhore and cyrus family knows.
3. Justin cares for her family and actually hangs with them ALL.
4. Cyrus family treats justin as one of thier own.
5. Miley LOVES JUSTIN.

Dumbass Jiley Hate Facts
1. You dont know justin and never met him.
2. Your not his banker and youre not anything to him.
3. You dont care for miley nor her well being.
4. You all say justin is a famewhore but I guess you can see it but not all the Cyrus family see it?
5. YOUR JUST JEALOUS BITCHES

Every fan that has met justin and miley have ALL stated that he is very nice and generous to her so give it a break justin is here to stay weather you like it or not.

Anonymous said:

You can tell how hard it is for him to act interested in her. Poor dude, she really is his full-time job.

Anonymous said:

your not funny AT ALL
would you like to add me on facebook?
search my email :emilymay63@yahoo.com

Anonymous said:

Miley Cyrus told TV Guide that she wants to do a younger, cleaner version of Sex and the City. C’mon, Miley, who do you think you’re fooling? People are not as dumb as you think. At least Britney Spears was well past 18 before her sluttiness and lies came out into the open. You’ve been busted way too soon.

Anonymous Anonymous said:

oh gosh who cares
duh their dating, of course their going to make-out!!
gosh some of you just need to grow up
and worry about your own problems and not about others
so leave miley and justin alone seriously!!!!

Anonymous said:

Justin seems to work for everything.

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lmaoooooooooo

maybe miley WANTED to help him out?

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further lmaoooooooooo

Anonymous said:

She brings Religion into everything

“We love Jesus!” Miley has said in one of her Youtube videos. “Jesus rocks! I sing, act and dance for Jesus! Now that I think about it, I do everything for Jesus. We do YouTube videos for Jesus. We’re all about it.” Nice to know you take off your clothes and make out with girls for Jesus. I’m sure he’s getting a big kick out of it, Miley.

HER AND HER BOYFRIEND USES RELIGION FOR ATTENTION
LIKE WTF?

Anonymous said:

LOL Howard was right, he DOES look like her child-molester uncle!

Anonymous said:

I HATE THIS WHORE! I WANT HER OFF MY TV!

Anonymous said:

her songs all sound disney to me.

Anonymous said:

At first I thought she was an adorable tween…I am so offended that her parents aren’t disciplining her!!! They want her billions.

Anonymous said:

i was a jb fan in 06 before they met miley even when they were dropped i was still a fan

btw justin is using her mimi

KALI KALI said:

i dont understand how people could be like.
eww. oviously she thinks hes cute. so whatever.

Anonymous said:

lol you miley stans crack me up. yeah, this dude would TOTALLY be with her if she wasn't famous. totally.

Anonymous said:

HOW is miley so full of herself? come ON people. there are SO many ways to hate a celebrity. you guys dont understand anything and you dont take the time to LISTEN to what other people who KNOW the person tells you about them. and you jump straight to . "Oh well i dont like her because i think shes a stuck up bitch" i can sit here and say JB are players and they're assholes and they suck and they're so conceited and full of themselves and i bet all the jonas teenies would start yelling at me. please people. take the time to actually TRY and like the person before hating. it makes you look kind of stupid.

La dee da. La dee da. said:

Her shirt's a little bit see-through...
That's kind of tacky.

But more on point,

I don't really mind Justin. I actually liked some of his tweets yesterday. Y'know, when he isn't constantly quoting the bible, he's not that bad. At all.

Oh, and the girl on the right in the second picture kind of (ish) looks like Miley.

Anonymous said:

Gawd I love Miley but she acts like such an attention whore sometimes -_- And this Justin guy just needs to leave, or at least get a fucking job.

ilovejonaslovato! ilovejonaslovato! said:

yeah you know how oceanup
is you should have never said anything about
them kissing in the
first place,
that was a stupid idea,
great job.
now you started this whole thing...poor miley.
and justin.
that sucks for miley and justin.
but oh well i guess.

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